Novartis just made a move that could shake faith in CAR-T immunotherapy: It announced yesterday that it will dissolve its cell and gene therapies unit, cutting 120 jobs. Its CAR-T research isn't evaporating, just being absorbed into the company’s main cancer division. Still, stock prices for CAR-T competitors Kite Pharma and Juno Therapeutics tumbled amid increased pressure to prove cell therapies can be commercially viable.
We chatted with Brad Loncar, founder of a cancer immunotherapy exchange-traded fund (and one of STAT’s top BioTweeters!)
What are your thoughts on Novartis disbanding its cell therapy unit?
It’s not a total surprise, but it’s certainly disappointing. Whenever you have somebody reducing their investment in an emerging field, it’s a setback for that field. What it suggests is that Novartis does not see much utility for cell therapies beyond [its leading pipeline drug for] CD19, and other low hanging fruit indications that it’s already been hugely successful with initially — like acute lymphoblastic leukemia and other blood cancers.
What does Novartis’ move mean for CAR-T therapy?
It’s definitely negative, but I think Kite Pharma’s CAR-T’s news next month is going to be even more consequential for the entire field. Kite is supposed to announce interim results for its DLBCL trial, and while we won’t see the full results until ASH [in December], what we’ll find out from Kite next month is whether they have data that is good enough to be submitted to the FDA for registration. That’s hugely important.
One of these companies has to show that CAR-T technology is commercially viable. If Kite doesn’t do that, it’s going to be a very big setback for CAR-T — even more of a setback than today’s news from Novartis. Kite’s upcoming results are like a playoff game — they must win.
CAR-T seems to work well in blood cancers. Do other targets look promising?
One target that’s promising is Bluebird Bio’s B-cell maturation antigen (BCMA) approach to multiple myeloma — we’ll see their data this year at ASH... Otherwise, no. There isn’t much data showing it’ll work in solid tumors.
We’re really spoiled because the first [acute lymphoblastic leukemia] trials had 90 percent cure rates, when we first saw them. That’s almost impossible for anyone to recreate. But sadly, nothing has come even close to that, so other than BCMA , I’m not wildly optimistic about anything right now.
You have an immunotherapy fund. What does this mean for you? Are you losing hope in CAR-T?
First of all, I’m not not excited. I’m excited, and a CAR-T believer. But what we have to keep in mind: What Novartis and Kite and Juno have in trials right now truly is version 1.1 — and companies are learning every single day from what they’re seeing. Over time, new versions of this are going to come out. So as a starting point, it’s extremely promising.
I think the storyline today is, CAR-T is really walking a fine line. A year ago, there was definitely exuberance. But now, we’re on the precipice of people pulling back, just like Novartis did. It’s going to take success and commercialization to keep up CAR-T’s momentum so it can get fully developed and researched.